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Hybrid Cars & Fuel Efficiency

Are some journalists ignorant, liars, or just plain biased?

How many articles have you read about hybrid cars, such as the Toyota Prius, and how they don't achieve EPA estimates?

For the record, the Prius CAN meet EPA estimates. If you are on the highway you have to drive 55 mph, without air conditioning, without excessive wind, and on flat roads, etc. 

However, in city driving, the Prius can achieve 60 mpg, even with the AC on if you are in extreme stop-and-go traffic, but that isn't the point.

The real point is the gross inaccuracy of EPA estimates on ALL vehicles. According to some studies, the average CONVENTIONAL vehicle - not hybrid - falls short of its EPA fuel efficiency ratings by as much as 35%!

According to a recent Consumer Report's study, in city driving 9 out of 10 vehicles fall short of their EPA estimates by as much as 50 percent.

In fact, according to the Detroit News, the latest effort to fix the EPA fuel efficiency ratings wasn't prevented by Toyota to protect its hybrids, rather it was blocked by Detroit. 

HMMM, I wonder what Detroit has to hide? Are Detroit's gas guzzlers even far more gas guzzling than the EPA rates them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

For example a number of Dodges achieve a whopping 8 mpg in the city. Chrysler's 300C, estimated to achieve 17 mpg, actually achieves just 10 mpg. The worst culprit, the Jeep Liberty Diesel, estimated at 22 mpg in the city, actually achieves only 11 mpg, 50 percent less than estimated.

Of course, not all hybrids are perfect either. CR notes that the Honda Civic hybrid only achieved 24 mpg in the city - missing its EPA estimated city fuel economy by 46 percent.

Nonetheless,  hybrids still fill the top 3 most fuel efficient vehicles slot - not bad considering only a handful of hybrids are available. And the Civic hybrid's 24 mpg in the city is still better than almost every single conventional vehicle on the road today.

Simply stated, hybrids are not all the same. The Honda Accord hybrid and the Civic hybrid are built upon the same hybrid technology, but not the same hybrid technology as the Toyota Prius hybrid. Toyota hybrids, such as the Prius or Highlander hybrid, can actually function on electric power only at low speeds. This means that in city driving, where congestion creates stop-and-go traffic, Toyota hybrids can use much less gasoline, as can the Ford Escape hybrid.

Honda hybrids do not benefit from this gain. The second generation Civic hybrid, due out in October; however, will offer this capability, but its electronic component will still not equal that of Toyota hybrids.

Thus, all hybrids are not created equal and viewing hybrids as one class is as inaccurate and misleading as utilizing EPA fuel economy data. While the Civic hybrid only achieves 26 mpg in the city according to CR, the Prius achieves 45 mpg. The Ford Focus, for a conventional comparison, only achieves 17 mpg.

At today's gas prices, driving 15,000 miles per year, the Civic hybrid would save you $1500.00 in gas versus the Focus, the Prius would save $4500.00 per year in gas savings versus the Focus. Of course, not everyone drives in these conditions all the time, but for those that live in large cities, the cost-benefit of hybrids like the Prius is pretty dramatic.

Additionally, if you HAVE to drive an SUV and you drive mostly in the city, driving a Highlander hybrid or Escape hybrid will probably save close to $700 - $1000 per year. For many hybrid drivers, gasoline savings in the real world ARE enough to cover the cost of hybrid components, plus you are helping to clean the environment - can you really put a cost on that?

Ultimately, hybrids are not all the same. Currently, the Prius is best in class - at least until the second generation Civic hybrid. Still, it isn't the fuel economy of hybrids that should be in focus, rather is should be the incredible fuel inefficiency of conventional vehicles.

So, the next time you read a journalist start to discuss the shortcomings of hybrids by noting that they don't achieve EPA estimates, realize you are dealing with either an ignorant journalist, or a biased media whore.

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